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King Henry · May 05, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Heh, you guys may think I'm weird for this...

I usually use Recall for my "in" spell, and Viper's Defense for my "out". So far it works pretty well. Cast Recall on a tank and then port to him while he's fighting. From there it's a short distance to the target. I run in, hack 'em up. and use viper's while I'm runnin' like a bat out of hell.

SirShadowrunner · May 05, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Well, the running Assassin trick is great in a PUG, but with all henchies it
don't work to well, if you disengage the enemy and back up the henchies
do the same, which is what they are suppose to do, follow the leader.
So I take a couple defensive/healing skills to keep me alive in the pack better,
Shadow of refuge and Way of perfection, also have Watch yourself to, works
good.

fallot · May 05, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by King Henry

I usually use Recall for my "in" spell, and Viper's Defense for my "out". So far it works pretty well. Cast Recall on a tank and then port to him while he's fighting. From there it's a short distance to the target. I run in, hack 'em up. and use viper's while I'm runnin' like a bat out of hell.

If you are not using any other elite, Aura of Displacement does this much better.

MysticPain · May 05, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by GranDeWun

Presumably, high Critical Strikes gives them a chance, (but not a certainty), of inflicting really massive damage during one combo.

Talking about DPS and assassins is somewhat misleading - it is not average damage output that is important, it is the possible 'one-man spike' damage.

Agreed. Assassins who are primary are highly focused on the Critical Strikes attribute. If you guys paid attention to the R/A or A/R thread in the head start event you would understand this.

Going back to that thread:

R/A, if focusing on daggers, uses Expertise to make rediculously long combos and pull them off cheap and easy.

A/R, if focusing on daggers, uses Critical Strikes to make shorter combos which do more/as much as the longer ones, and then get the hell out. The crits they accomplish mid combo regenerate their bar, which is their "expertise" in a way. Attacks such as the dual attack Critical Strikes can be made practically free with use of Zealous daggers and Critical Eye, which is a pretty basic combo for daggersins.

Now, about all this W>A crap I've been hearing about: Shut up. I'm normally not this blunt on the forums, but seriously. Shut the hell up. They're different classes, people have had a full year to test out warriors, find out what works and what doesn't and perfect it to a certain extent. Assassins have had not NEARLY this much time, and DPS alone is not how you win a battle. I'm sorry, but it's not. Guild Wars is about two things: Teamwork, and Skills. Deeper in, the way skills work with eachother, but we're not going into that here.

If you think DPS is so important, I have a little reccomendation for you. Go into PVP with your axe, sword, hammer, swaxe (<3 Ghostly Hero) or whatever the hell else you plan to use, lock onto an enemy and use no skills. I assure you that you won't get very far.

Don't go around saying assassins and assassin primarys are better or worse than warriors. We are not warriors. I don't see you people picking sides if mesmers are better than elementalists, and I'm sure in most parts of this forum if someone picked one of those sides they would get instantly flamed and "shut up noob'd" right out. Just because two frickin' classes both do close range melee damage doesn't mean that they're similar or even able to be compared.

God damn. I hope some of you really leave it alone now, if warriors are better melee fighters than assassins are. Warriors tank, assassins sneak. Think of it as Fighters and Rogues.

Now, moving on.

DPS measurements:

Yes. Warriors appear to beat us here, but seriously, with the assassin's huge emphesis on critical blows and double strikes I really don't think DPS can be calculated with an assassin. Average DPS, perhaps, but it will never be the same.

Eh, I could have sworn I read about how evade/block stances own sins in this thread. Perhaps they were edited out, deleted, non-existant, whatever. Regardless, evade/block stances will never save you against a good A/W. Wild Blow will leave you stanceless and damaged, and if they have assassin-based condition removal, bleeding. And if they're running Appointment In Damascus (<3), you're also missing an enchantment. Oh, and I get 4 of that energy back.

fallot · May 05, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by MysticPain

If you think DPS is so important, I have a little reccomendation for you. Go into PVP with your axe, sword, hammer, swaxe (<3 Ghostly Hero) or whatever the hell else you plan to use, lock onto an enemy and use no skills. I assure you that you won't get very far.

You'll get a lot further then you may think.

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Originally Posted by MysticPain

Don't go around saying assassins and assassin primarys are better or worse than warriors. We are not warriors. I don't see you people picking sides if mesmers are better than elementalists, and I'm sure in most parts of this forum if someone picked one of those sides they would get instantly flamed and "shut up noob'd" right out. Just because two frickin' classes both do close range melee damage doesn't mean that they're similar or even able to be compared.

Why shouldn't they be compared ? People are of the opinion that Assassin's are geared for damage, so a comparison with the leading damage class of the game is natural.

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Yes. Warriors appear to beat us here, but seriously, with the assassin's huge emphesis on critical blows and double strikes I really don't think DPS can be calculated with an assassin. Average DPS, perhaps, but it will never be the same.

Why not ? A critical strike is just another number. Those numbers are not meant to show the superiority of the Warrior profession in dealing damage, that much is uncontested. They show that daggers are a potential source of reasonable DPS, were Assassins able to apply it. Nothing more.

Nobody is saying Assassins are better than Warriors. Just that Warriors are better damage dealers and have a better, faster spike. The options that the Assassins offer the game are valuable, but I fear that people dont realise what those are and instead focus on the unrealistic scenario of "assassinating" targets.

I asked the question so I could understand how many people were of this opinion. If the point of an Assassin is a one-man spike, why are all of their spike options overshadowed by Eviscerate + Execitioner's ? I want this class to actually do what people want it to do, and what it is advertised as. That would require adding quite a bit more + damage to Assassin combos or providing them an IAS skill that they can effectively use.

Nowhere is anyone saying that Assassins are worse than Warriors or vice versa. So dont post against something that isn't even happening.

floplag · May 05, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

you know, alot of you are giving advice thats great for PvP or upper levels PvE, but doesnt do much for the guys that dont have all the skills yet too, just a thought.. dont assume they have all of these as options.

that having been said, ill throw out a different opinion here in that if you are carrying more than 4 attacks skills, your not going to be very energy efficient or able to maintain them for very long.

ive been pretty succesful so far using two leads, and off hand, and a dual, along with the rest of the slots in preps/enchantments/heals/defense

every assasin should carry a self heal that is fairly spammable, and a defensive skill ... now you can do that and still have 2 sets of attacks, but i like using preps etc... for added damage

in any event you shouldnt be tanking, you dont have the armor for it

as always though ill say this, dont take this post, or anything posted on any forum as gospel, think for yourselves and create your own builds that work for you and your play style, rather than trying to conform to someone elses ideas

MysticPain · May 05, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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